I really love these sent my wonderful husband to get some like these, and he returned with thin dress socks that are far from low. Bless his heart I didn't even mention they were not he proper socks he is use to me wearing thin dress ones, and such an amazing man how could I be upset he did his best most men wouldn't even have bothered. I'm a fan and will be keeping watch for more nice socks, God Bless sorry for writing a book have a lovely evening.