Gman3 is away and has asked me to answer your questions. Hope you don't mind. The jeans are 8 youth. Gav3 is 12 and they fit him perfect. He is tall and thin. (I think maybe small for his age)... He doesn't like the skinny jeans. He is a rugged outdoorsman and the skinnys won't go over his work boots, and this time of year he won't wear anything but his boots.